Re: Selling Stock Photography Quality printers, or absence of them.O

From: shirley <sdicks@blomand.net>
Subject: Re: Selling Stock Photography Quality printers, or absence of them.O
To: selling_stock_photography@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 11:58 AM

 



do you know the name and number of a good one for reinking.  I used to do that but the newer ones don't have the holes to put the ink in.....if anyone knows, perhaps I could find one on ebay.....thanks shirley

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From: RK

To: selling_stock_photography@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:21 AM

Subject: Re: Selling Stock Photography Quality printers, or absence of them.O

Many thanks everyone for your input, it is very helpful.
 
I read a few articles on the web, and just as on this list, it turns out that the old printers are the best. Old HP especially it seems. The new ones are designed to be money making scams, to make you spend huge on maintenance, and ink cartridges, and a new printer ASAP.
 
This turned out to be a lot more interesting than I thought, and I know it is problem for photographers, especially the cost of ink, so I share the information here.
 
First I tried to fix the printer myself. The printer had a continuous ink system, so, it was ink in the tanks, the ink flew OK to the containers in the printer, but large portions, square pieces, was blank on the paper when I printed. I guessed it was the printer head or the software, so I took the printer to a small repair shop I had used for many years.
 
The guy did the same checks, and told me the printer head was broken, and to buy a new one would be so expensive it was cheaper to replace the printer. How could that be, I know how much paper I buy, and the number of pages I had printed was maybe only a third of what Canon guaranteed. Why not ask Canon to replace it under their warranty? No use, he said, they will just ask for "proof", how many pages, that their ink cartridges was used, that they had serviced the printer, and that the printer was not manipulated, and how would you do that. The "guarantee" is a scam.
 
I bought a new Epson T40W equipped with a continuous ink system, and the printer is "hacked" to work around the systems that are intended to prevent you from using competitive supplier's ink, recharge the ink cartridges, or use bulk ink continuous ink systems. The cost was US$99, inclusive of the continuous ink system and full ink containers.
 
Now it started to get interesting.
 
I asked about my remaining bulk ink for my Canon. No problem he said, you can use it in any ink jet printer of this type (pietzo electric ink jet pumps), all inks are the same, the only difference is the color, Canon's yellow is for instance a bit darker than Epson's, so you have to make a software adjustment. Jet printer ink is water, dye, a bit of glycol and soap (to reduce the surface tension to get small drops), you could even make your own ink. Then the printer maker adds a few chemicals that interact with chemicals in their paper only (which is three to five times the price of generic competitive paper) to make it look like their ink and paper is better. It is not. It is a scam using technology.
 
Many cartridges today are "chipped", they have a small electronic chip in them. That chip is a counter memorizing how many droplets are ejected, and when it calculates the cartridge is nearly empty, the software in the printer shut it off, and you can only continue to print if you pay the printer maker a hefty sum for a new cartridge. At least that is the theory.
 
On my printer those chips have been replaced on the continuous ink cartridges with a similar chip that does the same thing. It is only, when the chip has counted the quota number of droplets, there is a button you press to zero the chip, the same way you would zero an electronic stop watch. Then you can continue to print. You "cheat" the printer software which thinks you have put in a new "genuine" ink cartridge which you would have paid a heft sum for.
 
This is similar to as if your car had a secret trip meter, and when you reached the maximum mileage on a full tank of gas the maker had decided on, the car would be disabled, until you paid the maker a hefty sum he had decided on to fill up the gas tank. Another scam in other words.
 
Canon has in addition a system that stops the printer after so many prints because the "waste tank is full". However, there is no waste tank. It is just that they want you to come to them and pay some money to reset another counter, and they do a bit of cleaning at the same time, which you could have done yourself. Dirty tricks again.
 
Now I buy the ink in bulk, it costs me US$ 1.50 for 100 ml of ink. In other words, to buy the print makers ink is about 1,000 times more expensive. Figure it out yourself.
 
I get exactly the same print quality result by manipulating the printer driver software to get the right amount of ink on the print, and I am using third party generic paper. All of our digital photos are also edited in programs like Gimp or Photoshop, and here is another opportunity for getting the prints perfect.
 
I asked him if he wanted my old Canon printer for spares, but no thanks. He guarantees his work for six to twelve months, and it is not worth it with the Canon. So, in front of my eyes he picked up the old printer, carried it to a nearby garbage container, and unceremoniously dumped it wholesale.
 
Another interesting issue came up. Most documents printed on ink jet printers contain a secret code, so every print can be tied and traced to a particular printer, and time printed.
 
Watch it, Big Brother is watching you.

 

http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/publications/trs/papers/1211.pdf

On 21-Dec-2010 10:47 AM, cmfranklin@cox.net wrote:

 

I do not recommend a Kodak printer. It is VERY expensive to maintain, and you have to use only Kodak paper for it to print photos well. We also had major issues once we install a secure wireless network, so now I can't print to it. I would stick with a HP or an Epson.

Cathy
http://www.electricskies.com

---- mgtymike1@yahoo.com wrote: > years ago I went with a cannon printer, (quality prints) but the machine was less then I desired...so went with HP's....have HPDeskjet 3845...yea its old, but still does an exceptional job....I also picked up another HP...HP psc 1210 all-in-one....again it has some years on it, but still does an exceptional job on printing 8x10's.
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> --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Tina Manley <images@comporium.net> wrote:
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> From: Tina Manley <images@comporium.net>
> Subject: Re: Selling Stock Photography Quality printers, or absence of them.O
> To: selling_stock_photography@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 8:18 AM
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> The Epson 1400 is the best bargain around.  It prints beautifully and is available now at $100 off the list price.  http://tinyurl.com/2ccenx8
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> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:10 AM, RK <rolf.krohna@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Once i used a Canon S500 printer for all casual printing, and i loved it. I swore by the Canon printers.
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> Then I moved and decided to buy a new one, and was talked into a Canon Pixma with four ink tanks.
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> I have found it to be the ultimate Cr*p, Sh*t and rubbish.
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> Can anyone suggest a good reliable printer that works. It does not have to be a quality one, but it has to be reliable.
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> It is just for letters and drafts. Has anyone heard of any Chinese printers. Maybe better than the Japanese.
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> On 18-Dec-2010 6:57 AM, Penny Wills wrote:
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> I know a couple of people who have used it. It's legit.
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> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:08 AM, michael jm <mgtymike1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Good day all
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> just came across a site that boasts FREE website. The site is WIX.com
> was wondering if anyone in this group has explored this or possibly built a web site there. any feedback appreciated.
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> I shall have to investigate further.
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