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I wouldn't send anything to Costco to have printed on Canvas. The Canvas
printing is outsourced and not controlled by Costco. You get it mailed to
you direct. Use Simply Canvas for canvas printing. Any other printing I
trust Costco.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Rod Melotte <grinder12000@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> I don't know - I've see Cosco canvas and am not impressed - all look a
> little
> dull and lifeless! I would have a hard time charging top dollar with Cosco
> canvas.
>
> Plus how many styles of canvas do they have. I think that is my biggest
> beef as
> I just don't like their choice of canvas. Too flat!
>
> Rod
>
> Melotte Photo Imagery
> Photography With an Edge
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Kowal <paul_kowal@msn.com>
> To: "artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com" <artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 7:47:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [artshow_photo] Re: Canvas Printing
>
> One of the good things about Costco and the reason so many professional
> photographers now use them is the ability to download a color profile for
> their
> machines and the ability to turn off corrections so that the photographer
> can
> get prints to their own preferences.
>
> To: artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
> From: mike.pearlman@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:52:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Re: Canvas Printing
>
> I can agree with everything said with the exception of the Costco remark.
> Costco is simply the machine and for smaller prints the same machine used
> in the most expensive professional labs. The quality is in the detail and
> that
> is done by the photographer who submits the file. Some of the really high
> end
> labs may have someone in between the photographer and the machine who
> does the work (makes the corrections) that the photographer should have
> done.
> If so they normally charge for the service.
> Doesn't work much differently from the days of film where the professional
> lab had some who covered the butts of the sloppy photographer.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Vincent Goetz <vince.goetz@comcast.net
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > As someone who does his own printing I have to agree with Brian. There is
> > as much art to printing as there is composition and making an image.
> Citing
> > Ansel Adams was perfect. If Ansel was alive today his post-processing and
> > printing seminars would be very well attended. Those of you that send
> their
> > printing out to Costco are getting what you pay for and not much more.
> > Understanding print profiles, color gamuts, papers and inks are all parts
> > of
> > creating an image that will touch people in the ways that you want your
> > images to do. And I can personally tell you that I love photography for
> > what I learn every day. From taking images to printing them to selling
> them
> > there are so many things to learnŠ
> >
> > And as an aside, thank you to the folks that post here regularly. The
> > insights I have gained here have been quite helpfulŠ
> >
> >
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I don't know - I've see Cosco canvas and am not impressed - all look a little
dull and lifeless! I would have a hard time charging top dollar with Cosco
canvas.

Plus how many styles of canvas do they have. I think that is my biggest beef as
I just don't like their choice of canvas. Too flat!

Rod

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From: Paul Kowal <paul_kowal@msn.com>
To: "artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com" <artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 7:47:51 PM
Subject: RE: [artshow_photo] Re: Canvas Printing

One of the good things about Costco and the reason so many professional
photographers now use them is the ability to download a color profile for their
machines and the ability to turn off corrections so that the photographer can
get prints to their own preferences.

To: artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
From: mike.pearlman@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:52:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Re: Canvas Printing

I can agree with everything said with the exception of the Costco remark.
Costco is simply the machine and for smaller prints the same machine used
in the most expensive professional labs. The quality is in the detail and
that
is done by the photographer who submits the file. Some of the really high
end
labs may have someone in between the photographer and the machine who
does the work (makes the corrections) that the photographer should have
done.
If so they normally charge for the service.
Doesn't work much differently from the days of film where the professional
lab had some who covered the butts of the sloppy photographer.

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Vincent Goetz <vince.goetz@comcast.net>wrote:

>
>
>
> As someone who does his own printing I have to agree with Brian. There is
> as much art to printing as there is composition and making an image. Citing
> Ansel Adams was perfect. If Ansel was alive today his post-processing and
> printing seminars would be very well attended. Those of you that send their
> printing out to Costco are getting what you pay for and not much more.
> Understanding print profiles, color gamuts, papers and inks are all parts
> of
> creating an image that will touch people in the ways that you want your
> images to do. And I can personally tell you that I love photography for
> what I learn every day. From taking images to printing them to selling them
> there are so many things to learnŠ
>
> And as an aside, thank you to the folks that post here regularly. The
> insights I have gained here have been quite helpfulŠ
>
>
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>
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The whole country is beautiful but when I was there a couple years ago, one of my favorite places was Killarney National Park which contained Muckross Abbey and Muckross Gardens among other things. I did lots of hiking so I was glad to have a carbon fibre tripod.

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I can agree with everything said with the exception of the Costco remark.
Costco is simply the machine and for smaller prints the same machine used
in the most expensive professional labs. The quality is in the detail and
that
is done by the photographer who submits the file. Some of the really high
end
labs may have someone in between the photographer and the machine who
does the work (makes the corrections) that the photographer should have
done.
If so they normally charge for the service.
Doesn't work much differently from the days of film where the professional
lab had some who covered the butts of the sloppy photographer.

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Vincent Goetz <vince.goetz@comcast.net>wrote:

>
>
>
> As someone who does his own printing I have to agree with Brian. There is
> as much art to printing as there is composition and making an image. Citing
> Ansel Adams was perfect. If Ansel was alive today his post-processing and
> printing seminars would be very well attended. Those of you that send their
> printing out to Costco are getting what you pay for and not much more.
> Understanding print profiles, color gamuts, papers and inks are all parts
> of
> creating an image that will touch people in the ways that you want your
> images to do. And I can personally tell you that I love photography for
> what I learn every day. From taking images to printing them to selling them
> there are so many things to learnŠ
>
> And as an aside, thank you to the folks that post here regularly. The
> insights I have gained here have been quite helpfulŠ
>
>
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>
>
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Local scenes tend to go over well. And if by creative you mean artsy and
weird then those will probably not sell at anything other than top end shows
that are frequented by the artsy-craftsy bunch who fancy themselves as avant
garde and who buy anything they think is 'ART' with the capital letters. If
you get in shows like those, then it's time to call your inkjet prints:
gliclee to impress them.

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On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 13:39, frankie <frankesposito@gmail.com> wrote:

> Over the last 2 weeks, I have gone to 4 art shows in the Chicago area and
> this is what I found people selling:
>
> 1. flowers (all kinds in close generic shots)
> 2. Marshal Fields clock
> 3. The Bean
> 4. Wrigley Field
> 5. All types of standard landscapes, mostly color but some A. Adams B&W
> style)
> 6. Trees
> 7. Random street scenes
> 8. Doors
> 9. The whole country of Italy (mostly Toscana)
>
> Although there were many great compositions, there were very few that
> really stood out. In fact it looked like many were tourist pictures, mounted
> and framed with a $160 price tag stuck on them.
>
>
> Is this what sells? Do creative pics not sell as well as the tourist type?
> Or is this just what that particular artist likes and thus wishes to sell?
>
>
> But I still have a whole summer of Art shows to visit.
> Stay tuned :)
>
> -fe
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Well, let's remember that book publishers are the ones that invented the
concept. Or both concepts, actually. An edition was a series of copies
of the books that were all the same, essentially that were created from
the same set of plates. Within an edition you would see multiple
printings, in litho they didn't even correct the most obvious typos.

With new titles from popular authors it was common to first sell a more
expensive edition in a special binding, often with a stated limit to the
quantity, also often with an autograph signature from the author.
Limited editions often included color plates, either as a supplement to
the mass edition or replacing black and white photo pages.

It is routine now for publishers to bring out a hardcover edition, a
large-print edition, a "trade paper" edition which sometimes serves the
same purpose, and finally a paperback edition. With reference materials,
it is common to bring out an updated edition, as frequently as annually
in some cases but as needed in others. (My Chicago Manual of Style is
the 35th edition.)

In other words, in the clear and accepted meaning of the word, an
edition is not necessarily limited by quantity and the existence of
unlimited editions has no bearing on the possible existence of limited
editions. You could, without any ethical compromise, have a large canvas
edition of five, a mid-sized framed edition of 150, and sell millions of
copies of an 8x10 unsigned (or with the signature in the image file)
through gift stores everywhere, as long as you didn't claim that the
8x10s were part of the limited edition.

If the photo police have another set of laws, I have to conclude that
they are enforced locally and vary substantially from place to place.

Van

On 31/05/2011 9:13 AM, michael cothran wrote:
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> --- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:artshow_photo%40yahoogroups.com>, Larry Berman <larry@...> wrote:
> > I'm against limited editions, but don't additional additions
> > invalidate the contract you have with the purchaser, unless you
> > provide that information in writing (COA) at the point of purchase,
> > which makes the number of pieces in the addition invalid?
>
> Absolutely. The "spirit" of an LE is knowing that only so many prints
> will be produced. Period. Having a limited edition with "unlimited"
> editions, so to speak, nulifies or voids itself.
> Book publishers get away with this by not using the term "limited,"
> but just "edition." An edition being defined as a continuous run.
> I suppose a photographer could do the same thing - an "edition" could
> be defined as a 25 sheet box of paper. Thus, your first box of 25
> prints would constitute your "first edition." You could then buy a
> second box of paper, print the same image again, and call it your
> "second edition." Silly, yes, but the same concept. However, it would
> be stretching the point to call this procedure "limited."
> Michael H. Cothran
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paperweight - stop your business cards blowing away at shows.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Michael Pearlman
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> Of Course!  But I am not sure I would know what to do with the small bar of
> gold.
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Darlow <ad@andrewdarlow.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Michael.
>>
>> I should note that it may not be easy to know whether someone is just there
>> to ask a question and take up some of your time without any thought of
>> making a purchase, or if they are there to furnish their new hotel with all
>> of your prints!
>>
>> Just something to think about, so it might be best to qualify that they are
>> not a bona-fide customer who just doesn't know what to say while they are
>> about to reach for the Amex card (or a small bar of gold).
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Andrew Darlow
>> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
>> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
>> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
>> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers -
>> http://www.inkjettips.com
>> and
>> Pet Photography 101:
>> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat -
>> http://www.PhotoPetTips.com
>> http://facebook.com/andrewdarlow
>>
>> On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, lightpaintedlandscapes wrote:
>>
>> > Andrew-
>> > Your post below was a gold to me. Wanted to originally post about someone
>> asking what the "best selling shots" are - like a toy maker asking Mattel
>> (arg!) - then I got consumed with a topic that is a constant at my shows.
>> Being that I am the best selling, most prolific and incredible artist at
>> every show I do (sarc) - the question is a CONSTANT at all my shows (this is
>> true).
>> >
>> > Thank you Andrew. I will be doing exactly what you have described
>> starting the moment I press send. This forum has proven quite valuable now
>> and if you need something I might be able to provide please do not hesitate
>> to contact me - luminous-viewsdotcom.
>> >
>> > My first consulting client's payment will going to you Andrew. Thanks
>> again.
>> > -Michael
>> >
>> > --- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Darlow <ad@...> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Rod:
>> > >
>> > > Here's one recommendation (Michael Pearlman also touched on it). You
>> can thank the person for their nice comments and have a sheet of paper that
>> describes your consulting services. You might have rates for consulting
>> during shows, in person at someone's home/office/studio and via phone or
>> internet. You can ask them if they'd like to spend 15 minutes starting right
>> then and you can take a credit card up front, then bill for the balance if
>> the person exceeds the time allotted. It's a way to take a negative and turn
>> it into a positive (or at least, you'll be explaining that you value the
>> time its taken for you to learn what you know, and that person will
>> hopefully understand the value as well).
>> > >
>> > > All the best,
>> > >
>> > > Andrew
>> > >
>> > > Andrew Darlow
>> > > Editor, The Imaging Buffet
>> > > http://www.imagingbuffet.com
>> > > Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
>> >
>> >
>>
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Thank you Michael.

I should note that it may not be easy to know whether someone is just there to ask a question and take up some of your time without any thought of making a purchase, or if they are there to furnish their new hotel with all of your prints!

Just something to think about, so it might be best to qualify that they are not a bona-fide customer who just doesn't know what to say while they are about to reach for the Amex card (or a small bar of gold).

All the best,

Andrew

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On May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM, lightpaintedlandscapes wrote:

> Andrew-
> Your post below was a gold to me. Wanted to originally post about someone asking what the "best selling shots" are - like a toy maker asking Mattel (arg!) - then I got consumed with a topic that is a constant at my shows. Being that I am the best selling, most prolific and incredible artist at every show I do (sarc) - the question is a CONSTANT at all my shows (this is true).
>
> Thank you Andrew. I will be doing exactly what you have described starting the moment I press send. This forum has proven quite valuable now and if you need something I might be able to provide please do not hesitate to contact me - luminous-viewsdotcom.
>
> My first consulting client's payment will going to you Andrew. Thanks again.
> -Michael
>
> --- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Darlow <ad@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rod:
> >
> > Here's one recommendation (Michael Pearlman also touched on it). You can thank the person for their nice comments and have a sheet of paper that describes your consulting services. You might have rates for consulting during shows, in person at someone's home/office/studio and via phone or internet. You can ask them if they'd like to spend 15 minutes starting right then and you can take a credit card up front, then bill for the balance if the person exceeds the time allotted. It's a way to take a negative and turn it into a positive (or at least, you'll be explaining that you value the time its taken for you to learn what you know, and that person will hopefully understand the value as well).
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > Andrew Darlow
> > Editor, The Imaging Buffet
> > http://www.imagingbuffet.com
> > Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
>
>

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LOL - I always have a camera and I honestly have only been to one or two art
fairs in my life that I was not in! I don't want to be corrupted LOL

Rod

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From: J Bryan Kramer <codeburner@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Dudes with camera's asking fortips

Well I often have a camera on my shoulder and I almost always buy a
photograph at Artshows.

BK

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