All good points (except re: NPR is quite real). My point is that the recovery will be regional and an two steps forward, one step back. While not wanting to veer into the political; the political influences our economy. Our state leaders made very different decisions re spending the stimulus, industries hit regions to varying degrees, and recovery will happen in some regions sooner than others. It would be helpful to honestly share where recovery is stronger so we can schedule our fairs more effectively.
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From: "J Bryan Kramer" <codeburner@gmail.com>
To: "artshow photo" <artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:15:24 AM
Subject: Re: [artshow_photo] Re: Taking off / economy
I agree but we are veering off to the political.
BK
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 09:00, rick roth <rothphotosc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> NPR is not real news
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: photoartgal <cindy@cindymcintyre.com>
> To: artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 8:28:06 AM
> Subject: [artshow_photo] Re: Taking off / economy
>
>
> Okay, I get pretty incensed when screwy opinions are passed off as facts.
> Rod is
> living in an alternate universe of wishful thinking. Not sure if he ever
> listens
> to NPR for real news, but here are several links that will burst his
> faux-optimistic bubble.
>
>
> http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/12/03/pm-get-used-to-this-high-unemployment-rate/
>
>
> First off, according to former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, many
> corporations
> used the recession as the excuse they've been looking for to ship good
> paying
> jobs overseas where they can pay less. Those jobs are NOT coming back. Even
> Mall*Wart and the discount stores don't rely so much on US buyers anymore
> and
> are making huge profits overseas where we've shipped our jobs to. So
> there's not
> much incentive to making sure Americans have a decent wage, which is about
> three
> times the minimum wage at the very least, to purchase their goods.
>
> To quote him:
> "The two American economies -- the Big Money economy and the Average
> Working
> Family economy -- will continue to diverge. Corporate profits will continue
> to
> rise, as will the stock market. But typical wages will go nowhere,
> joblessness
> will remain high, the ranks of the long-term unemployed will continue to
> rise,
> the housing recovery will remain stalled, and consumer confidence will sag.
>
>
> "The big disconnect between corporate profits and jobs is likely to
> continue
> because America's big businesses are depending less and less on U.S. sales
> and
> U.S. workers. Their big profits are coming from two sources: (1) growing
> sales
> in China, India, and other fast-growing countries, and (2) slimmed-down US
> payrolls. "
>
> Source:
>
> http://www.opednews.com/articles/New-Year-Predictions-The-by-Robert-Reich-101230-424.html
>
>
> Yeah, $8 an hour employees of Dollar General (most probably part-time, no
> benefits) can afford a $100 piece of art. And I've got a piece of swampland
> to
> sell you, Rod.
>
> The very rich are indeed getting richer. They live in a rarified universe
> and
> are most likely to patronize upscale galleries than they are to mingle with
> the
> riff-raff at the art shows. Who's buying the millions of foreclosed homes
> and
> flipping them for a 12-15 percent or more profit, sometimes with little
> more
> than cosmetic improvements? Investors! With cash up front.
>
> NPR Morning Edition Jan 3, 2011
>
>
> http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=132613636&m=132613666
>
>
> The stock market is not an indicator of how average Americans are doing. It
> is
> legalized gambling and you need to have money to play in that casino, and
> can
> afford to lose it when somebody cries wolf and the market takes a plunge.
> (See
> how financiers engineered stock market crashes in the past. This is also an
> illuminating view of the Federal Reserve, not just for conspiracy
> theorists:
> Zeitgeist Part III
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1693084887024293324#
>
> Not sure whether you got a refinance from a legitimate company, Rod, or one
> patterned after the sub-prime mortgage market which engineered this huge
> Recession we are still in (stock market performance to the contrary.) NPR
> reported that banks are tightening credit for everyone. Sub-prime lenders,
> and
> "legitimate" lenders who resold mortgages in bits and pieces to overseas
> and
> domestic investors as mortgage-backed securities didn't care if you could
> repay
> the debt. It wasn't THEIR money. Thus the crash.
>
>
> For a primer on the Recession:
>
>
> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/355/the-giant-pool-of-money
>
>
>
> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/365/another-frightening-show-about-the-economy
>
>
>
> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/390/return-to-the-giant-pool-of-money
>
>
> The middle class is our real market, and the middle class is fast
> shrinking.
>
> "There's class warfare, all right," Mr. [Warren] Buffett said, "but it's my
> class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/business/yourmoney/26every.html?_r=1
>
> Unemployment figures don't include people who have given up looking for
> jobs,
> and self-employed people who are now under- or unemployed. They don't
> qualify
> for unemployment benefits. And getting re-employed after a year or two
> means a
> lot of catching up with bills. And for those who defaulted on homes or
> credit
> cards, etc. they may never get re-hired, since employers now do credit
> checks.
> They will probably never qualify for a home loan again, and may even be
> denied a
> rental home due to poor credit, since landlords also have access to your
> credit
> history. This relationship, which could make you unemployable, is the
> modern
> version of the Debtor's Prison.
>
>
> So do a little research into reality, Rod, or else pass out rose-colored
> glasses
> to the rest of us.
>
>
> --- In artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com, "Grinder" <grinder12000@...> wrote:
> >
> > And there is the problem - people feel wrongly cautious. Not saying they
> should
> >throw caution to the wind but corporations are BURSTING with profits -
> companies
> >are hiring back people (back) right and left. Dollar General just said
> they are
> >hiring 6000 people this year.
> >
>
> >
> > Rod
> >
>
>
>
>
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