Mr Noyce has here, as usual, hit the nail on the head and given the best response to this tomfoolery so far.
P. Forsberg
--- In selling_stock_photography@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Noyce" <groups@...> wrote:
>
> >>lmatlow: most of what you said is pretty much what I said. Except the bit
> about posting a link to someone's work being actual theft of that work. In
> my country, it isn't. Period. Exactly as I said before. Your country may
> differ, but please don't make statements about what IS and ISN'T as if the
> same thing applies all over the world. There is too much of an attitude
> amongst US users in Yahoo groups that America = The Whole World or The Rest
> of the World isn't entitled to a say in anything or to have their own,
> different legal system.
>
> No country AFAIK has a problem with posting a link but that's not what Linda
> said and that's not what is happening
>
> >>Still, I'd like to know how you'd feel if I, as a professional
> photographer, went and hunted down your website (which I can't do because
> when I click on your UID here it tells me the page (your profile) doesn't
> exist but if I could ...) and actually liked your work so much that I copied
> the URL of your website and posted it on here, or on Facebook or on my own
> website or somewhere, with a comment saying, "I found this other
> photographer's website and I really like his/her work so please go and have
> a look" - would you call that theft?
>
> Telling someone to go and look is obviously not theft, using their content
> to populate your site is. Pinterest do not post a url they display your
> images making the content of their website your creative work. They either
> take your image and store it on their server without permission which is
> illegal or use your bandwidth to display your picture on their site which
> may or may not be illegal but is certainly unethical
>
> >>If so, then I would suggest you just don't put your work on the web at
> all, because that is how the web works. It's ability to market your work for
> you without any input from you is something that many people regard as a
> massive benefit of the web!
>
> Having someone filling the content of their site with your images is not
> marketing
>
>
> >>As I said before, sadly, if you put your work on the web, it is going to
> be stolen by people who don't give a stuff about legality. Some people are
> so thick or lawless or both that they either can't or don't wish to
> understand why it matters to you that you retain 100% control over your
> images. If you put them on the web, in any way, shape or form, IT IS NOT
> POSSIBLE TO RETAIN THAT CONTROL SO THERE IS REALLY NOT POINT IN GETTING YOUR
> BLOOD PRESSURE UP THERE BY GETTING ALL INDIGNANT ABOUT THEFT.
>
> Why should you not get upset about theft. If I went into the supermarket and
> helped myself I would expect a legal response if caught. The fact that most
> shoplifters don't get caught does not excuse, or make acceptable, their
> action
>
>
> >>If you have unlimited time to chase after misuse and get lawyers on the
> case, good for you. I'd rather be taking more photos.
>
> Not 'misuse' theft. I'd rather not pay for a police force but, as a society,
> we seem to feel the need to minimise the lawlessness.
>
> Refering to your earlier response to an earlier email registering your
> images with the US copyright office is not a requirement to register your
> copyright there anymore that it is in the UK, it just enables you to sue for
> punitive damages and so make it worthwhile for a lawyer. The UK seems to be
> also looking at this http://www.ipo.gov.uk/hargreaves-copyright-dce.htm
>
> >>The ones that are really important to me - the ones I sell as limited
> edition, signed prints - they don't go on the web for precisely the reasons
> you outlined about not being able to guarantee to the purchaser that they
> have not been distributed or used anywhere else.
>
> Stock photography is about selling files not prints which is why keeping
> control, keeping records and preventing orphans is so important. And if
> someone buys you print, photographs it and sells the file on or puts it on
> the web do you turn a blind eye to that too?
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Noyce
>
> www.stock.peternoyce.com
>
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