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[artshow_photo] Planning the upcoming year, panicking about finances...

 

We did a few small shows last year and lost money (these were small high school gym art and craft shows) when I factor in gas, replacement of inventory, tax, booth fee, and a commission to myself (no pay beyond that). Generally speaking, do shows scale? I mean, if 250 people came through one of our shows last year and we sold $40 worth of stuff, is it reasonable to expect $400 from a show with an attendance of 2500 people?

In order to do bigger art shows this year we need to sink a bunch of money in inventory, tow hitch, insurance (it hit me today that insurance isn't really optional). I am really panicking because this money comes straight out of my pocket and its not money I really have to spare. If we do these shows and average $100 per show I'm in a world of trouble. Not to mention if we do average the $250 per show I need to pay myself back right now for the out of pocket money the business will still show a loss for the year and slide deeper into the hole.

One of the shows we are planning on doing is the Westminster (MD) Art In The Park. The table fee is $75 and the estimated attendance based on previous years is 15,000 people. After show expenses (ignoring insurance but including both replacing the stock that sells and paying the artist commission) we need to sell $261 to break even. This will of course generate a sum of cash that can be used to pay myself back before paying out commissions.

I really want to break into the business and I'm setting myself up to do so, or at least stand a chance, but I am having trouble pulling the trigger for fear of the sales not being there.

Anyone who wants to chime in with experience or wisdom beyond "expect to lose money the first few years" will be much appreciated by me.

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Re: [artshow_photo] Re: Commercial Vehicle Status - camping is a hobby

 

Kevin,
I have been watching this on the net. I believe you have to pick up
a few roadside Mexicans to help with the moving van. AND drive like
crazy to get out of Arizona !!!
Jim
On Feb 25, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Kevin wrote:

> It seems to me like the only exemption would be using a truck to
> move residences so they don't penalize people for moving to
> Arizona. I suppose hauling an old car to a recycling center
> wouldn't qualify as a hobby. Otherwise, it sure seems like there
> aren't many ways out of the requirement.
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[artshow_photo] Pro Panels needed in Philadelphia end of April

 

If anyone would care to rent or sell ProPanels in the Philadelphia area, please contact me. I need them for a one-day show in late April. If they are for sale, I'd consider buying them.

Thanks,
Celeste

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Re: [artshow_photo] Trim the message (not the messenger)

 

I hope you mean to delete the comments prior to the post your are
commenting on, it's critical to understanding that you include the post
to which you are replying, or perhaps to a part of it if the post was long.

Replies without their antecedents can be very confusing, particularly if
people aren't staying at their desk and reading all the comments in
something close to real time. And if someone posts a message and ten
people reply, and then someone replies to one of those replies and
characterizes it as idiotic without enough context to know exactly which
message is so denigrated, nine people are likely to get upset in error.
Any savings from zealous trimming will then be lost ten times over.

I've been participating in and moderating online discussions for over
twenty years. Keeping reply chains clear is critical to efficient and
orderly discourse.

I tend to trim reply chains, and I trim aggressively here because of
Larry's preference, but as long as the comments are added to the top of
the messages so nobody needs to scroll down through the whole reply
chain unless they're unsure of the exact history, it really isn't
terribly important anymore. When modems ran at 300 baud, and we paid
more per hour of connection time than most people now pay per month,
this was critical. Now it shouldn't matter. But I still have these urges
to keep thing compact and efficient.

I don't even begrudge the occasional use of emoticons.

Van

On 28/02/2011 1:30 PM, Gary wrote:
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> Each month Larry sends out a note, sometimes more often, about
> trimming replies. I was traveling last week and like to keep up on
> what is going on in the group. I learn a lot and contribute some.
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> It's real easy to start typing a reply while the passion is on your
> mind. But I've got to tell you, trying to read the summary email when
> each topic has not had the previous comments removed sure eats up a
> lot of space. Last week it was the topic on trailers. Some posters
> resent the previous 3 or 4 messages with the original.
>
> Please for the love of ??? (your choice) take the 3 seconds or so that
> it takes to highlight and delete the previous post you are replying to
> from the response.
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> Makes it a lot easier read on a blackberry, iPhone, iPad or your
> favorite other device.
>
> :)
>
> Gary
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[artshow_photo] Trim the message (not the messenger)

 

Each month Larry sends out a note, sometimes more often, about trimming replies. I was traveling last week and like to keep up on what is going on in the group. I learn a lot and contribute some.

It's real easy to start typing a reply while the passion is on your mind. But I've got to tell you, trying to read the summary email when each topic has not had the previous comments removed sure eats up a lot of space. Last week it was the topic on trailers. Some posters resent the previous 3 or 4 messages with the original.

Please for the love of ??? (your choice) take the 3 seconds or so that it takes to highlight and delete the previous post you are replying to from the response.

Makes it a lot easier read on a blackberry, iPhone, iPad or your favorite other device.

:)

Gary

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[artshow_photo] Re: canvasdiscount

 

Don't be swayed by the price. I tried them once (due to price), and
NEVER AGAIN! First of all, they are based in Germany . The day after I
placed my order, I received a call from the fraud department of my bank
warning me that my credit card was being used fraudulently overseas.
After a little research on my part (see their payment terms page:
http://www.canvasdiscount.com/securepayment/)
<http://www.canvasdiscount.com/securepayment/> I learned that the
charge was from CanvaseDiscount.com and authorized my bank to process
it. Then a few days later I received a service charge on my bank account
due to the overseas transaction. To top it off, I received my canvas
about 3 weeks later. It came in a tube, with the canvas rolled up and
some stretcher bars with paper instructions on how to assemble it. As I
unrolled the canvas, I noticed the ink on the bottom third of the canvas
had smudged and the ink had ran down the side. So I threw the whole
thing away. I guess you get what you pay for and I should have known
better!

Mary Anne Baker
Mountain Photo Gallery <http://www.mountainphotogallery.com>

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[artshow_photo] Re: Mat Colors

 

For sanity sake, just be consistent. For the moment I have black mats and I have white mats. Sometimes the customet wants the other color and I need to swap. They're neutral and decore-wise they can go with anything. Am I selling art? Well it doesn't matter what I think, my customer wants something that accentuates her couch and not my photo but that is another rant :)

On the other hand I've known customers who've matted in either forest green or maroon. He sells quite well. Whatever it is keep it all consistant throughout the booth. It will give your work and booth a common theme which will look more professional. What you do not want to do is buy 50 different colors as you'll have customers thinking they can get any color they want and 'order it online in the color they want' which is the kiss of death. Besides it is cheaper to stick with a color or two and buy matts in bulk in the long run.

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[artshow_photo] canvasdiscount

 

Was just wondering if anyone has used canvasdiscount.com to get their canvas prints made. I've been using Costco and another company but canvasdiscount.com has lower prices. Is it a matter of "you get what you pay for"?

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Re: [artshow_photo] Re: Mat Colors

 

OH HEAVENS...I wouldn't do that!  I'm speaking of the under-mat with a matching
color to the image...exactly.  And, for this set, I do have some that have white
top mats and some that have black top mats...it just depended on what I thought
worked better.

My actual true favorite on almost any image is a black top-mat and a soft
blue-grey under-mat...
 Kim
http://www.walkerdesignworks.com 

________________________________
From: michael cothran <michaelhcothran@comcast.net>
To: artshow_photo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 4:11:41 PM
Subject: [artshow_photo] Re: Mat Colors

 
You'll never go wrong by matching the white of your printing paper, be it bright
white or a natural off-white. If you have to have some color, use a second mat
underneath with a stronger color chosen from the image.
Please - NO brightly colored or color-coordinated mats on top. Nothing says
"Rank talentless amateur" faster (in my humble opinion, of course).

Michael H. Cothran

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[artshow_photo] Re: Mat Colors

 

You'll never go wrong by matching the white of your printing paper, be it bright white or a natural off-white. If you have to have some color, use a second mat underneath with a stronger color chosen from the image.
Please - NO brightly colored or color-coordinated mats on top. Nothing says "Rank talentless amateur" faster (in my humble opinion, of course).

Michael H. Cothran

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Selling Stock Photography video stock agencies?

 

Can anyone recommend any agencies that sell video stock?

Since I shot my last film, i have been looking at digi still cameras and seems that any that would be of adequate quality for stock sales are pretty exspensive. Not sure I want to make a large capital investment in a still stock camera. Thinking instead of a
decent HD video camera and just go for video stock instead. Not interested in a camera that supposedly doese both.
I have some background/training in film/video production.

thanks,

Robert Clay

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